In the original script, they would arrive at the spaceship, they would go inside, and so they would explore the whole spaceship and they they would see the pods and decide that this was a museum/ biolab vessel. The chamber that was referred to as the "pod room" was a portion of the spacecraft in which the alien creatures manning it had collected specimens of different aliens species from around the universe in a sort of futuristic zoological expedition. So clearly the ship, piloted by whatever species was out looking for whatever it was doing, collecting information, found this, put it in the pod, froze it and got the wrong one, one that was more dastardly than they'd expected. In its own terms, the thing was a captive that broke free and tried to take over the ship and killed the pilot but the whole thing crashed. Originally the discovery of the spacecraft would have seemed like a bigger find, and there would have been more dead bodies of alien creatures lying around in the ship, and this would have made the main creature of the film no so unique. The set was several stories high and gloriously detailed with a metal/organic dichotomy that might have been reminiscent to some of the derelict ship from Alien.
The creature took on the appearance of the alien that pilots the ship which would lead to it eventually killing the pilot and either it killed all the rest of the crew or this led to the crew killing one another from not knowing who was who, and so the pilot in the pilot room kills himself and crashed the ship on Earth in hope to stop The Thing. And so it was viewed that the pilot deliberately crashed it on the earth hoping that it would kill the creature. Now left with not knowing what to do, it gets outside the ship and freezes to death. So there was the original version of this creature and that is what we are supposed to see in the 2011 version of The Thing. It became all too expensive and complicated for the studios and so the whole back story was erased.
|Close up of The Pilot|
The ship was steered by an alien race and the pilot of the ship controlled the ship with tubes stuck in its back, and operated the ship through those tubes connecting with the central core that was like the brain and the motor of thee ship. It was a futuristic take on a control centre. The director wanted it to be left vague and hard to understand otherwise it would resemble something too much of our own Earth based logic.
|Pixelated core that replaced the plugged in pilot|
d) Dead pilot's death would mirror the death of a character named Colin
A dead hanging pilot would be encountered hanging in the middle of the flying saucer interior, and the character Kate discovers it. The entity would have been the last pilot alive and it commited suicide by severing its own airpipe much in the way that the character Colin would slash his own wrist and throat, to become the dead character found sitting in his chair in Carpenter's The Thing
|The dead remains of the thing being investigated|
The director came to understand that The Thing does not have an original form. It’s just a lethal virus that had assimilated countless other life forms. It carries all the genetic information of its previous victims. That’s why it can create all these random forms.
|Shot from Blair's computer simlation from Carpenter's The Thing (1982)|
e) Under a Microscope
The microscope scene closely mirrors Carpenter's simulation scene where two cells one real and one imitation, become a single imitation cell rather than two imitation cells. The hostile thing's cell attacks a human cell, it takes over and the Thing cell takes over and then suddenly changes back into an imitation of the human cell. They merge into a blob (keeping the same mass in the assimilation process) and out of that blob two new cells emerge. A copied human cell (The Thing in disguise) and the same attacking Thing cell. If one visualized it, it looks as if nothing has changed. The beginning and the end of the sequence are the same, you start with two cells but it's not clear what is happening. So they copied Blair's animation from Carpenter's The Thing to simplify it. Perhaps the thing and its victim should keep roughly the same mass and weight before and after assimilation. The thing cannot invent mass or weight, and perhaps it should loses just a bit of weight because it burns energy/mass through assimilation. But to explain it without loss of mass, Kate's microscope scene and Blair's computer animation would be very hard to understand visually.
|Kate's microscope scene in The Thing (2011)|
f) Fooling the imitation into believing it's real
A hostile Thing cell attacks a human cell, the Thing cell takes over and then suddenly changes back into an imitation of the human cell. The imitation is perhaps so perfect that it does not know what itself is, even as a consciousness, but is perhaps ultimately, unwittingly, controlled by this other thing. The characters Edvard, Juliette, Norris, Palmer and so on probably didn't realise that they were the Thing. For the sake of the psychological integrity of the imitation, it forgets the assimilation episode. But when it wants, when it needs to act, it takes over control and manipulates its next victims. Norris is the best example in John Carpenter's movie, he has pains in his chest but he doesn't even know why. Blair at the end of Carpenter's The Thing and is controlled by The Thing. And it is the same for for Juliette, when she talks to Kate about Colin. It is The Thing that makes her say these things but Juliette actually believes it.
Matthijs van Heijningen Jr: That was the Pilot Alien, now mimicked by Sander.
XidiouX:What was the intended role of the pixelated core which Kate discovers?Matthijs van Heijningen Jr: It was like the brain and motor of the ship. It was a futuristic take on a control centre. I wanted it to be vague and hard to understand otherwise it would resemble too much our own logic. (http://www.outpost31.com/QAMVH.html)
Mr. Noc asks:Did the scene, or scenes, involving what has been described as a "pod chamber" ever make it into post production?Matthijs van Heijningen Jr:Yes it did. In the beginning. I proposed to the studio a reshoot of a scene where Kate would wonder around in the ship and sees all the carnage caused by The Thing: an exterminated pilot alien race. The Thing, a specimen captured in a pod, broke free and killed the aliens on the ship. Or they killed each other not knowing who is who. The pilot in the pilot room kills himself and crashed the ship on Earth in the hope to stop The Thing. We needed a lot of money to show the (Norwegian camp) version in space with all the dead aliens. The studio thought it was too expensive and too complicated so we erased that whole back story. (http://www.outpost31.com/QAMVH.html)
Andy Bain:Why the decision to pixelate out the pilot? I've read that you felt it wasn't scary enough but could it have not been kept in alongside Sander thing?Matthijs van Heijningen Jr: The studio thought the whole back story was too complicated and wanted it to be removed. This is what I wrote on my Facebook site to explain.“Yes we shot a version where she encounters a dead pilot hanging in the middle of the room. In that version Kate walks in this room and sees a dead pilot hanging. He was the last pilot alive and Kate sees that he killed himself because his air pipe was cut (basically Colin in space). The back story was that this Alien pilot race collected specimens from different planets and The Thing was one of them, broke free and killed all the Alien species in the ship (broken pod in pod room). The pilot kills himself and crashes the ship on purpose, hoping that it would kill The Thing. Of course it doesn't, it climbs out and freezes itself. So back to Kate. She sees the dead pilot and Sander, now has taken the form of the pilot (he has the genetics because of his spaceship slaughter fest 100.000 years before), has started up the ship. Sander attacks Kate in pilot form and corners Kate, who pulls her last grenade and threatens to blow them both up. That moment Carter runs in and sees what she is doing and blows up the Sander Thing just to convince Kate that he is human (he basically has no choice because he if fries Kate with his flamethrower everybody would blow up.) Little complicated but we filmed this. Studio didn't liked this (too complicated and to some degree they were right) so we had to lose the back story and replace the pilot with the Tetris. They thought that the pilot wasn't scary enough, so we created the Sander Thing at the last minute (which shows unfortunately.)(http://www.outpost31.com/QAMVH.html)
Richie asks: Did the ship crash or did it land?Matthijs van Heijningen Jr: In my opinion it crashed.
Richie asks:Who was driving it and where are they? The enormity of the ship suggests it was not piloted by one person.Matthijs van Heijningen Jr: In the version I intended to shoot, the ship was steered by an Alien race and The Thing was a captive that broke free and killed everybody on board. The pilot deliberately crashed it on earth.
Richie asks: Something of that calibre would have to be manned by pretty intelligent creatures. Was The Thing a pet, an escaped specimen or a failed attackMatthijs van Heijningen Jr: An escaped specimen.
Richie asks: The Thing wakes up similar to when you wake up from a bad dream which is to say rather suddenly. Can this account for its radical behaviour?Matthijs van Heijningen Jr: Probably. Also it’s programmed to assimilate.
Richie asks: I need a little clarity on its original shape and size. Teeth, fangs and body shape are more animal and don’t fit with piloting the vessel shown.Matthijs van Heijningen Jr: In the dead pilot version, the pilot controlled the ship with tubes stuck in his back, operating the ship through those tubes. (http://www.outpost31.com/QAMVH.html)
- Called the “pod room” – the portion of the spacecraft in which
the alien creatures manning it had collected specimens of different
alien species from around the universe in a sort of futuristic
zoological expedition – the set was several stories high and gloriously
detailed, with a metallic/organic dichotomy that reminded me instantly
of the ship discovered by the exploratory team on LV-426 near the
beginning of Alien. This resemblance actually did come up during
our conversation with Haworth – miraculously still standing after being
up for a full 24 hours in a rush to complete the gigantic set – who
admitted that the influence of Scott’s film may have inadvertently
creeped into his own design.
"You know, I think we’re all big fans of the original `Alien’ and [H.R.] Giger“, he answered. “But…you kinda want to do your own thing. So there may be certain things where you’re like, the tonality of [another movie] is really interesting, so you borrow that from another movie. But you try to make it your own. You always get influenced to some degree by the work of others.” It was also imperative that the production designer and his team use the exterior of the ship seen in Carpenter’s movie – along with, according to (production designer Sean) Haworth, close-up photographs of bug antennas and dust mites, and imagining what they would look like writ large – as an influence. Although being that the ship was mostly seen covered with snow in the first film, he was also forced to use his imagination to fill in the gaps.
“It wasn’t a big focus for them [on the first film]…so we tried to use it as kind of a baseline and kind of expand on it“, he said. “We’re trying to look at it from the perspective of, `ok, these things weren’t built by humans’, it was built by a completely alien race. It was built to fit them, maybe an environment that’s not fit for humans. So the proportions were the first thing that we looked at, you know, the size of the doorways, the size of the hallways. You’re kinda stumbling around because it’s not designed for humans.”
It also helped that A.D.I. [Amalgamated Dynamics, Inc., the practical effects company that worked on the film] had already designed the look of the aliens who had been piloting the ship by the time Haworth came on board, giving him an idea of what sort of environment would be designed around their physical forms.
“We were kind of seeing what A.D.I. had done, the kind of structure and physics of the [aliens]“, said Haworth. “It looks like the aliens could walk in any direction they wanted to, they could crawl on the walls and the ceilings, so we tried to avoid the walkways. We tried to make it look like, `well, the aliens could walk along the ceiling or the sides of walls’, so we kind of did a structure that looked like, `ok, well, maybe something could crawl sideways on this thing.’ There’s no real up or down.”
- We asked the producer if the creature ever takes on the appearance of the alien's flying the ship? "It did do that. At some point it killed the pilot and then it tried to observe its surroundings, which is what happens in John Carpenter's movie. It went out of the spaceship when it crashed. So clearly the ship, piloted by whatever species was out looking for whatever it was doing, collecting information, found this. It's a zoological expedition," (producer Marc) Abraham said. "So they found it, put it in there, froze it and got the wrong one, one that was more dastardly then they'd expected. It broke out and tried to take over the ship and killed the pilot but the whole thing crashed. Now left with not knowing what to do, it gets outside of the ship and freezes to death." We followed up by asking exactly how many alien specimens we will be seeing in this movie? "Well, there's the original version and that's what we see, but the whole great thing about this horror story is that any one of us can be The Thing. We see it in different incarnations, so you see all kinds of versions of it, but you also see it when it's just one of the crew," Abraham replied. (http://movieweb.com/set-visit-the-thing-interview-with-marc-abraham/)
- Screencrave: I know you there were some reshoots at the end. Why did you guys decide not to go with the pods?
Director Matthijs van Heijningen Jr.: It’s a long story. In the original script they would arrive at the space ship and they would go inside, so they would explore the whole space ship and then they saw the pods and then they figured this is a museum/biolab vessel. While prepping that it became really clear there was too much emphasis on the space ship. We left that idea when basically she has to try to kill the monster, we didn’t have time to explain that pod story because there’s no dialogue and she’s alone, so we abandoned that idea. I still liked it because initially the idea of having a Norwegian base in space was very appealing, like a whole space ship with species being wiped out and all these clues.
Screencrave: Did you think about the aliens’ motivation? I don’t know if we ever in the Carpenter version, you know, know why the aliens came here. If it was just to take us over. Did you come up with a conclusion of that for itself?
Director Matthijs van Heijningen Jr.: Well, as a virus it just wants to infect more people. Infect more specimen, and this virus can take over any organism. So that makes it sort of logical in a way, and in my mind the creature they find is not the thing, it was a host. It was probably a peaceful creature and taken over. It crashed on Earth and basically saw only ice around and thought well, I’ve got to freeze myself in waiting to be found.
- Mr Carmichael : The first exploration of the spaceship.
Director Matthijs van Heijningen Jr. : This was interesting. Up to production it was scheduled to shoot inside the ship but I realised that the exploration of the ship became far more of “a find” than the creature in the ice. It would have taken the momentum away from The Thing. It was like “WOW a spaceship” and by the way we found a specimen. In that time we had our old story intact were there would be more dead Aliens lying around in the ship. So The Thing in the ice was not unique. (http://www.outpost31.com/QAMVH.html)
- Mooretallica asks: Was The Thing in the ice the actual original form of the
creature, or just another copy a creature it has previously assimilated
on another planet.
Director Matthijs van Heijningen Jr.: In my opinion The Thing doesn’t have an original form. It’s just a lethal virus that had assimilated countless other life forms. It carries all the genetic information of its previous victims. That’s why it can create all these random forms.(http://www.outpost31.com/QAMVH.html)
- XidiouX asks: Dear Matthijs, Is any novelisation of your movie planned?
Director Matthijs van Heijningen Jr.: No.XidiouX asks: In the documentary produced by Amalgamated Dynamics showing the effects work they did on The Thing, we see a three-eyed alien, which was cut from the film, sadly, as this would have been a nice reference to the monster discovered in Campbell's original novella. What was this supposed to be and why was it cut?Director Matthijs van Heijningen Jr.:That was the Pilot Alien, now mimicked by Sander.XidiouX asks:What was the intended role of the pixelated core which Kate discovers?Director Matthijs van Heijningen Jr.:It was like the brain and motor of the ship. It was a futuristic take on a control centre. I wanted it to be vague and hard to understand otherwise it would resemble too much our own logic.XidiouX asks:When was Edvard assimilated?Director Matthijs van Heijningen Jr.:Just after the autopsy, the night Juliette gets assimilated. It knows Griggs is The Thing and uses Olav to secure that they actually leave. When Griggs dies, Edvard wants to leave with Colin and Lars, knowing that Juliette will take care of the camp.XidiouX asks:Is a Thing-imitation so perfect that it does not know what it is, even as a consciousness, but is perhaps ultimately, unwittingly, controlled by this 'other'?Director Matthijs van Heijningen Jr.:I think that is a right description. I don’t think Edvard, Juliette, Norris, Palmer and so on realized that they were The Thing. The Thing is so good in fooling everybody that it even fools its host. But when it wants, when it needs to act, it takes over control and manipulates its next victims. Norris is the best example, he has pains in his chest but he doesn’t know why. Blair at the end is The Thing and is controlled by The Thing. Same for Juliette, when she talks to Kate about Colin it is The Thing who makes her say these things but Juliette actually believes it.XidiouX asks: If a Thing does not know that it is imitation, for the sake of its psychological integrity, does it genuinely forget the assimilation episode?Director Matthijs van Heijningen Jr.:Yes.XidiouX asks:Why did the ship arrive at Earth and what happened onboard during its journey?Director Matthijs van Heijningen Jr.:See my answer in one the later questions.XidiouX asks:Your microscope scene closely mirrors Carpenter's simulation scene where two cells, one real and one imitation, become a single imitation cell rather than two imitation cells. What is your view of what’s happening here at a cellular level?Director Matthijs van Heijningen Jr.: A hostile Thing cell attacks a human cell. The Thing cell takes over, then suddenly changes back into an imitation of the human cell.XidiouX asks: I thought long about this and in both films this is not accurate. The problem is that the loss of mass should not happen. The Thing and its victim keep roughly the same mass and weight before and after the assimilation (John W. Campbell talks about this in “Who goes there?”). The Thing cannot invent mass or weight. (Maybe it loses just a bit of weight because it burns energy/mass through assimilation.)Director Matthijs van Heijningen Jr.:To explain it without loss of mass, Kate’s microscope scene and Blair’s computer animation would be very hard to understand visually.XidiouX asks: I will give it a try:Director Matthijs van Heijningen Jr.:A Thing cell attacks a human cell. They merge into a blob (keep the same mass in assimilation process) and out of that blob two new cells emerge. A copied human cell (The Thing in disguise) and the same attacking Thing cell. If you visualize this, it looks like nothing changed. The beginning and the end of the sequence are the same; you start with two cells and you end with two cells but it’s not clear what is happening. So we copied Blair’s animation to simplify it.XidiouX asks: It’s curious that the ship seems to have its main engines pointing upwards. Did it, as some of us have speculated, land/crash upside-down?