Alien: Alexandre O Philippe's Memory- Origins of Alien: Ash the mysogynist

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The film had a whole segment from Clarke Wolfe on Ash, dealing with his misogyny which was an unplanned turn in the movie for Philippe.

She doesn't claim to be a great fan of the Alien movies, but she was quite sure that he was a robot programmed by men to carry out oppression, although there's surely nothing to say this in the actual movie.

She heard about the "Hollywood mythos" that the Ripley character was originally for a man and if this was true, she wondered how this scene would have played out with a man as Ripley.

Her argument and the way she framed it was so compelling and thought provoking for `Philippe, fitting into the much larger frame, that he felt he had to explore it in the film.

Her segment meant to a lot to people such as Philippe's interviewer, a woman, for the "What Why Tho?" podcast who was very excited to hear Wolfe's passion, she thought that she had never seen something so emotional in this type of documentary, feeling that normally it would get cut out, and it for Philippe it was one of those unplanned moments that he would find a place for in his documentary.


  1. Alexandre O Philippe:  we have this whole segment on Ash, and Ash' misogyny which I was not quite frankly planning to explore until Clarke Wolf who was er, you know in the film,

    Film Threat:
    I know Clarke Wolfe, I love Clarke, she's great

    Alexandre O Philippe:
    She's awesome. And erm, and er, but you know her, her argument, and the way she frames it in a way that she, you know, she talks about it is so compelling and so thought provoking that it, and it fits so well in the larger argument of the film that er, yep, that was a thread that we had to, that we had to explore so  (http://filmthreat.com/news/memories-of-alien-ft-alexandre-o-philippe-film-threat-podcast/
  2. Weliveentertainment: Clarke Wolfe articulates the strongest case that Ash is the ultimate representation of misogyny, because he is a robot programmed by men to carry out oppression. (https://weliveentertainment.com/welivefilm/sundance-2019-franchise-fred-remembers-memory-origins-alien/
  3. (From the Leading the Wolfe Episode 33 TERMINATOR 2: JUDGEMENT DAY with Michael T. Kennedy from December 11, 2018 , leading from Michael T Kennedy talking about Robert Patrick in Terminator 2 and how when he kind of smirks when he's talking to to the John Connor's foster parents, it's fun to think about how someone programmed that into a machine)
    Clarke Wolfe :
    This is my, I will give a little , little uh, plug  or headsup mecause my friend Alexandre Philippe who who has been on this podcast and he made the Hitchcock documentary about the shower scene
    Michael T Kennedy:
    I loved it
    Clarke Wolfe :
    Yes
    Michael T Kennedy:
    So good
    Clarke Wolfe :
    He is a, he talked to me about the Exorcist because he was working with William Friedkin
    Michael T Kennedy:
    Oh yeah , I remember that episode
    Clarke Wolfe: Working closely on something, but he is making a movie announced recently, he is making a movie about Alien and uh
    Michael T Kennedy:
    A documentary
    Clarke Wolfe:
    Yes
    Michael T Kennedy:
    Oh cool
    Clarke Wolfe :
    An um, I sat with him and did with him an interview and we talked a lot, I don't want to give anything away, but I'm told that part of this made it into the movie, we talked a lot about Ash and what
    Michael T Kennedy:
    From Evil Dead?
    Clarke Wolfe :
    Nope
    Michael T Kennedy:
    Oh
    Clarke Wolfe :
    From Alien
    Michael T Kennedy:
    Oh from Alien, I'm sorry yuh
    Clarke Wolfe :
    Yeah, yeah, and erm, and we were talking about like androids
    Michael T Kennedy:
    Yeah, yeah, yeah
    Clarke Wolfe: 
    Programming
    Michael T Kennedy:
    Right
    Clarke Wolfe:
    Erm, what is programmed into Ash, in Alien, is when you really think about it, like if you watch Alien through the lens of that and you watch that character
    Michael T Kennedy:
    Uhuh
    Clarke Wolfe:
    Focus on that
    Michael T Kennedy:
    Focus on the programming
    Clarke Wolfe:
    It is horrifying
    Michael T Kennedy: 
    Oh my gosh, that's so cool
    Clarke Wolfe:
    Like it's so, and to your point about the T1000, you're right, the smirk is programmed
    Michael T Kennedy:
    Yuh
    Clarke Wolfe: And the uh
    Michael T Kennedy:
    You think about the actual
    Clarke Wolfe: Yes
    Michael T Kennedy:
    Work it took to make these
    Clarke Wolfe: Yes
    Michael T Kennedy: 
    Machines, it's, yes, it's terrifying that there's some fucking genius in the movie
    Clarke Wolfe: Mmhmm
    Michael T Kennedy:
    That we never see
    Clarke Wolfe: Mmhmm
    Michael T Kennedy:
    That literally was like clicking a keyboard away
    Clarke Wolfe: Yep
    Michael T Kennedy:
    and the code he wrote
    Clarke Wolfe: Yep
    Michael T Kennedy:
    that makes him smart when he talks to
    Clarke Wolfe: Yep
    Michael T Kennedy:
    His person he wants to kill, the parents
    Clarke Wolfe: Yes,  and I would
    Michael T Kennedy: 
    I want to watch Alien now like that
    Clarke Wolfe:
    Please watch it is fun, and I'm sure, Alexandre told me that that scene did make it in, so, we'll see but that was, that was to me the two things, and we've never done Alien on this show before but
    Michael T Kennedy: 
    I almost picked Aliens
    Clarke Wolfe:
    Yuh
    Michael T Kennedy:
    But
    Clarke Wolfe:
    The two, the two things that stood out to me are are Ash and how the, I mean we could do a whole, we could do hours on that.
    Michael T Kennedy:
    Yuh
    Clarke Wolfe:
    But the idea that, um, Sigourney Weaver, that Ripley is is remembered in reviews and by critics and scholars for being cold for making decisions, the unemotional decision
    Michael T Kennedy: (Giggle)
    Clarke Wolfe:
    And er, and just looking at her performance, you know, from a , from a, from the lens of, wait a second, you know what yeah, she did the right thing, like that's and and and looking at it through the lens of, of, if the Hollywood legend is true, the Ripley was written by a man,  written for a man
    Michael T Kennedy:
    Yuh, it was initially
    Clarke Wolfe:
    Yuh
    Michael T Kennedy:
    The character initially, I think the character was a man
    Clarke Wolfe:
    Yuh, then, what , how would that scene have played
    Michael T Kennedy:
    HAL would have hailed it a hero
    Clarke Wolfe:
    How would the rest of the movie have played
    Michael T Kennedy:
    Right
    Clarke Wolfe:
    it's really really, like, I don't love the movie Alien personally
    Michael T Kennedy:
    I, I prefer Aliens
    Clarke Wolfe:
    Yes
    Michael T Kennedy:
    Yeah
    Clarke Wolfe:
    But looking at it in certain ways
    Michael T Kennedy:
    Mmhmm
    Clarke Wolfe:
    Is endlessly fun
    Michael T Kennedy:
    I need to go back and revisit those movies or actually or actually do and Alien 3 this week on our show
    Clarke Wolfe:
    Um, it's pronounced Alien Cubed
    Michael T Kennedy:
    Okay, thank you
    Clarke Wolfe:
    I'm kidding of course. I just always love the little three above
    Michael T Kennedy:
    I have to mean, it's so cute
    Clarke Wolfe:
    It's so good
    Michael T Kennedy:
    It's so crazy that it's David Fincher, again Studio meddling
    Clarke Wolfe:
    Right (Leading the Wolfe Episode 33 (https://www.clarkewolfe.com/podcast/2018/12/11/episode-33-terminator-2-judgement-day-with-michael-t-kennedy)
  4. Interviewer :There are a couple of moments in the interviews where um the interviewees get really passionate and you can hear a little bit of talk back between them and I presume its you behind the camera, and it's kept it and there's a very human quality to it which is er, that specific, that specific moment where er, she's the woman with the...
    Philippe:
    Oh Clarke, Clarke Wolfe
    Interviewer :
    Yes, and she just gets very passionate about imagery
    Philippe:
    About Ash
    Interviewer :
    Yes Erm, I don't think I've ever seen something so emotional
    Philippe:
    Mmm
    I
    nterviewer :
    In a documentary
    Philippe:
    Mmm
    Interviewer :
    Like that, I feel like sometimes that would get cut out
    Philippe: Yeah
    Interviewer :
    Wh-what was your choice in keeping those moments in?
    Philippe:
    I mean you know, that's the thing, you've got to have, I think you know, I think our films are very, they're cut in a very specific way, and the rhythm is very you know sort of unique to er, you know, to exhibit a film
    Interviewer Yeah, heh heh
    Philippe:You know, aah, but what I think also makes a those moments, those human moments, those emotional moments that I think are very important is to use them in the right way, you know, I think its er, you know, Memory, it's a pretty dark film and it tended to be of course pretty dark, and obviously the way it is filmed, ah, it's a, you know, you're in that sort of that kind of universe, you know, Alien universe, which is not bright and fun, you know, it needed these little sort of dabs of humour, I think, Clarke was so wonderful and I think any time you have someone giving that, you know giving that passion is wonderful, I think erm, in fact that whole sequence on Ash was not at all something that I was planning on including in the film, but I thought it was, first of all it was completely relevant to the premise of Memory and she delivered it with such er,  you know, such Panache, you know that er, it had to be edited in (https://player.fm/series/but-why-tho-the-podcast-1392435/interview-myth-alien-and-memory-with-director-alexandre-o-philippe)


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