Alien 3: Gillis and Woodruff get the job

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a) Leaving Stan Winston's company 

Tom Woodruff and Alec Gillis had worked with Stan Winston on his directorial debut Pumpkinhead, which came out in 1988, and it was a success.

With this, Stan had told the industry that he was no longer creating effects for films he did not direct.

Soon Woodruff and Gillis left Stan's company because he had five or six people on the payroll and this sudden career change in Stan's life meant fewer job opportunities.

Stan, loyal to his employees wasn't going to suddenly fire anyone and so he was going deeper and deeper into debt, making them feel guilty.

Pumpkinhead was a two million dollar movie, and they were going to endlessly work on sequels, that meant no longer would they work with the likes of Robert Zemeckis and James Cameron.

They stayed there for another two and a half years, but Gillis found himself saying ‘I think I gotta go, I think I got to continue my journey



b) The jump to form ADI

At some point in time Gillis and Woodruff had written a film script that Gale Anne Hurd was interested in.

They were excited, they would get the movie out and bring the work back to Stan.

They were going to be directing the movie and Stan would be doing the creature effects.

It became an interesting lesson because there were a lot of people interested in scripts, but this was very different than signing on a dotted line and getting a check cashed.

The script that they wrote never got off the ground but the upside was that it provided an impetus to move away from Stan's world and in 1988 would form ADI.

Their first feature was Tremors released in 1990, before they moved on to Alien 3



c) Getting the Alien 3 job

When Alien 3 came about, Fox approached Stan and he said ‘Yeah, I’ll do the creature effects ,I want to direct the movie

That would have been a logical choice to Gillis, but the studio had already gone down the road with their list of directors, and Vincent Ward had already been selected

Fox's answer was  “Sorry Stan, we can’t"

Stan replied "Then I’m not doing the movie"

The next logical group was Gillis and Woodruff and they were more than happy to work on the new film.



d) Relocating to London

Gillis and Woodruff moved to London for what ultimately would be a six-month stay.

They came with nothing, and all the work would be done there.

Fortunately they were able to take many people with whom they have worked on Aliens with, and with that they already had a fairly reliable and effective team.

Woodruff would work on design sketches and a model of an alien running on four legs


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  1. Alec Gillis :By the way, the reason we got the job [for Alien 3] and Stan Winston did not was that Stan was directing he had made an announcement at that point… we had done Pumpkinhead with Stan and that was his directorial debut which was an absolute blast. And Stan had told the industry that he was no longer creating creature effects for films he did not direct. That’s in part why Tom [Woodruff Jr.] and I left Stan because Stan is a very loyal guy and he had five or six of us on payroll and making an announcement like that naturally shrinks your job opportunities, right. Pumpkinhead was a $2 million movie we’re going to be working on 2..3..4.. whatever million dollar movies for a while that means no more Robert Zemeckis, no James Cameron, no whoever else, you know, we wanted to work with. And then also, Stan wasn’t saying “guys I’m downsizing and three of you are going to lose your jobs” he was just going into debt deeper and deeper holding on to us all and we felt kind of guilty about that. This would have been in 1987 after Predator after Pumpkinhead.. was when I said ‘I think I gotta go, I think I got to continue my journey’ I was there for two and half years and got tones of experience Stan gave us opportunities I’m grateful. He is my creature effects mentor as he is Tom’s.”(https://hnentertainment.co/interview-studio-adis-alec-alec-gillis-talks-alien-3-stan-winston-problems-with-the-film-and-a-ballsy-young-david-fincher/)
  2. Alec Gillis :What happen with Alien 3 was they did approach Stan, Fox approached Stan Winston and he said ‘yeah, I’ll do the creature effects I want to direct the movie’ and to me that would have been a logical choice because he had done 2unit directing on Aliens and he knows the creature game inside-and-out he had done a couple of movies [as a director] and based on Pumpkinhead I would say ‘yeah, Stan Winston in that era Stan Winston could direct an Alien movie’. But the studio had already gone down the road with their list of directors they picked the A-list directors or the people they are extremely excited about for whatever reason.. so Vicent Ward had already been selected as the director so, of course, the answer is “sorry Stan, we can’t’ then Stan is like ‘then I’m not doing the movie’ so they go to the next logical group which was me and Tom. We were more than happy to oblige and work on the film.” (https://hnentertainment.co/interview-studio-adis-alec-alec-gillis-talks-alien-3-stan-winston-problems-with-the-film-and-a-ballsy-young-david-fincher/)
  3. Alex Gillis: We had a script Tom and I had written that Gale Anne Hurd was interested in and we thought this was terrific we’ll get this movie out and bring back the work to Stan, how fun is that going to be? We’re going to be directing a movie and Stan will be doing the creature effects and it was an interesting lesson because there’s a lot of people interested in scripts but that’s very different than signing on the dotted line and getting a check cashed. That script that we co-wrote never got off the ground but the upside was that provided the impetus to get off our butts and being as complacent and comfortable in Stan’s world and go create our own world. So this is why we formed ADI and why I sometimes joke that because of that failed screenplay project that ADI is based on failure. Which I’m a big proponent of I’m a proponent of failure, I think that bumper-sticker-meme that says ‘failure is not an option’ is one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever seen because not only is failure an option, it is a requirement to learning. It’s like that old Barebriant football league quote like ‘you either win or you learn’. Failure is how you chose to perceive it you can take failure and turn it into success. This may sound corny or what have you but I look back I got a million failures in my past and I think failure not being an option that puts way too much pressure.. it becomes something to be feared and avoided at all costs and that might make you work really hard to complete the project and make it successful or it might make you gun-shy to try because if failure is the worst thing that can happen to you then you’re not going to stick your neck out and run the race. People lives aren’t at stake it’s just ‘does the monster look cool?’ so that to me has always been kind of freeing and once that you accept that you are going to fail…you free yourself up to take more risks.  (https://hnentertainment.co/interview-studio-adis-alec-alec-gillis-talks-alien-3-stan-winston-problems-with-the-film-and-a-ballsy-young-david-fincher/)
  4. Alec Gillis: I started my career at Roger Corman’s (celebrated film producer, director and actor) studio in 1980 with James Cameron. We had met prior to either of us getting into the industry and we both got the job. Through Jim I met Stan Winston. I didn’t get a chance to work on Terminator, unfortunately, as I was working on Friday The 13th: part IV and I thought that might be a better movie. But Stan didn’t hold it against me, so I went to work for him on Invaders From Mars and then on to Aliens at Pinewood Studios. That’s where I began working with Tom Woodruff Jr. In 1988, we formed Amalgamated Dynamics Inc; at the time, Stan was giving directing a go and we knew he was a very loyal guy and wouldn’t fire any of us, but he had six guys so Tom and I thought that this might be the time for us to strike out on our own.
    Our first feature was Tremors and then we moved on to Alien 3. We got an Oscar nomination for our work on Alien 3 and Death Becomes Her – and Alien 3 won the award. Since then we have been going strong, receiving a nomination for Starship Troopers and more recent stuff like Zookeeper. I tell you, if you haven’t seen that then you should! It has Tom in a full-size gorilla suit and there is no digital retouch to lip-sync at all. It is funny as that is our most digitally untouched piece of work that’s out there. Of course, most recently we have worked on The Thing and here we are today.
    (https://www.howitworksdaily.com/interview-alec-gillis/
  5. ‘We hadden ervaring vanwege ons werk aan ALIENS, maar ALIEN 3 was een enorme uitdaging voor Alec en mij. Bij ALIENS werkten we vanuit de Stan Winston Studio en stuurden we de resultaten naar de Pinewood Studios in Londen. Voor ALIEN 3 verhuisden we naar Londen voor wat uiteindelijk een verblijf van zes maanden bleek. We kwamen met niets, al het werk moest daar gebeuren. Gelukkig konden we veel mensen meenemen met wie we bij ALIENS hadden gewerkt, dus we hadden al een behoorlijk betrouwbaar en effectief team. Het was heel bevredigend om de baas te zijn over de special effects – zeker met een zakenpartner als Alec, die een deel van de last kon dragen. Ik werkte aan ontwerpschetsen en een maquette van een alien die op vier poten rent.’ Google Translation: For ALIEN 3 we moved to London for what ultimately turned out to be a six-month stay. We came with nothing, all the work had to be done there. Fortunately we were able to take many people with whom we had worked with ALIENS, so we already had a fairly reliable and effective team. It was very satisfying to be in charge of the special effects - especially with a business partner like Alec, who could bear part of the burden. I worked on design sketches and a model of an alien running on four legs. "(https://www.schokkendnieuws.nl/interviews/5525-interview-met-tom-woodruff-jr )

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  1. "Alien 3: Gillis and Woodruff get the job" was posted on 4th November 2019

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