a.i) Ships waiting in luna orbit
In the universe of the movie Alien, the Nostromo was one of an armada of ships that would wait in moon orbit for their crews to be shuttled up to them.
The ship with its refinery could have been sixty years old and was added to over the decades, with metalwork over fifty years old that didn’t corrode, but just became obselete.
- New Musical Express: Scott proceeds to advance a wealth of background detail about Alien, much of which doesn't feature as such in the film at all, but was projected to give everyone involved a complete impression of what they were supposed to be filming. The Nostromo for example was envisaged as one of an armada of ships that would wait in moon orbit for their crews to be shuttled up to them.(NME, 15th September, 1979)
The ship with its refinery could have been sixty years old and was added to over the decades, with metalwork perhaps over fifty years old that didn’t corrode, but just became obselete.
- FF: Who designed the refinery?
Ridley Scott: I did. I didn't want a conventional shape, so I drew sketch and handed it to the model makers. They refined it, as it were, and built the model. I originally drew it upside down, with the vague idea that it would resemble an inverted cathedral.
FF: It looks rather like Close Encounters' mothership
Ridley Scott: I soon realized that as well, so it took on another form. But I knew I didn't want to do a conventional shape because I think the machine that they're on could in fact be 60 years old and just added to over the decades. The metalwork on it could be 50 years old because it's only going to grow old to a certain extent
FF: It would never corrode, but just grow obsolete.
Ridley Scott: Yes, absolutely. So it was a sort of conglomerative objective which I didn't want to be spacey in any sense of the word. There's absolutely no reason for streamlining. I would have liked to see it covered with space barnacles or space seaweed, all clogged and choked up, but that was illogical as well
(Fantastic Films US#12/ GB #2, p20)
a.iii) Owned by multi-national industrial conglomerates
The armada would in turn be one of several owned by multi-national industrial conglomerates who had been mining and exploiting space for decades.
- Multi-national corporations like Weylan-Yutani have been mining and exploiting space for decades.(Alien Portfolio)
- New Musical Express: The armada would in turn be one of several owned by multi-national conglomerates ( "a sort of super-Sony, 50 times bigger") .(NME, 15th September, 1979)
a.iv) The world as property for two or three large conglomerates
Ridley imagined that fifty years into the future, the world had been converted into the property of two or three large conglomerates, whose sources of energy are provided by the exploitations of deposits in space.
- Ridley Scott: Let's assume that in fifty years time, the world has been converted into the property of two or three large conglomerates, whose sources of energy are provided by the exploitations of deposits in space. (Film Illustrated. v9. n99, Nov 1979, "Duelling with Death, The Alien World of Ridley Scott")
a.v) What the supercargo spaceship do
The Super-cargo spaceships that link Earth and the planets would transport enormous loads of minerals - gas, oil and the like.
- Ridley Scott: The Super-cargo spaceships that link Earth and the planets would transport enormous loads of minerals - gas, oil and the like. (Film Illustrated. v9. n99, Nov 1979, "Duelling with Death, The Alien World of Ridley Scott")
A picker craft would put all the stuff aboard
Then refinery itself, as a conglomerative mountain of technology then does all the work,
Mostly likely carrying ore, would perhaps slowly crush the contents or simply turn it into liquid or gas for easier transference back to Earth.
- Ridley Scott: The refinery itself is a conglomerative mountain of technology.FF: What was the refinery carrying?Ridley Scott: Ore, I suppose. They'd do all the work inside once the "picker" (the smaller craft) would put the stuff aboard. The ore would be turned into liquid or gas for easier transference back to Earth (Fantastic Film US#12/ GB #2, p20)
a.vii) The Nostromo's used interior
They certainly didn't design the Nostromo to look like a hotel but at the culmination of many long voyages, each covering many years, the ships look used, beat-up, covered in graffiti and uncomfortable.
- Ridley Scott: At the culmination of many long voyages, each covering many years, these ships — no doubt part of armadas owned by private corporations — look used, beat-up, covered with graffiti, and uncomfortable. We certainly didn't design the Nostromo to look like a hotel. (An interview with Ridley Scott by Danny Peary,Omni Screen Flights, Screen Fantasy, p294)
a.viii) What Ridley noticed aboard Boeing 747s to the USA
In a tongue in cheek fantasy way, Ridley was imagining a not too distant future in which flying in space looked like taking an aircraft flight,
He had been flying to and from the United States a lot of that time and he noticed how Boeing 747s were gradually getting beaten up.
When Ridley was in and out of London, he would notice whether it was looking tidy or untidy driving himself crazy and he then applied this rule to Alien.
- Harry Dean Stanton: He wanted to make it look like flying in space was like taking an airplane flight. Make it old hat, more or less make it natural and common place as possible. (Warren presents, Alien Collector's Edition, p45)
- Ridley Scott: I’m a neatnik, a pathological neatnik, and so I notice these things, When I’m in and out of London I notice whether its looking tidy or untidy and it drives me crazy. So I just applied that rule [to Alien]. I’d been flying to and from the United States a lot at that time, and I’d noticed how 747s were gradually getting beaten up. I was in a lavatory on a 747, and I noticed that even there someone had done some graffiti. And then alongside that there were instructions on the use of the lavatory in four different languages. So I applied all this thinking, except having jumped ahead, say, a hundred years. And I still believe I probably didn’t go far enough. (Blockbuster: How Hollywood Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Summer, p88)
a.ix) Graffiti and instructions in the lavatory
When Ridley was in the lavatory aboard the plane, he would notice that even there someone had done some graffiti.
Along side that were instructions on the use of the lavatory in four different languages.
Along side that were instructions on the use of the lavatory in four different languages.
- Ridley Scott: I was in a lavatory on a 747, and I noticed that even there someone had done some graffiti. And then alongside that there were instructions on the use of the lavatory in four different languages. (Blockbuster: How Hollywood Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Summer, p88)
a.x) Projecting this all a hundred years into the future
He applied all of this thinking and projected it ahead near enough a hundred years, although he felt he probably could have gone further with it in the film.
- Ridley Scott: So I applied all this thinking, except having jumped ahead, say, a hundred years. And I still believe I probably didn’t go far enough. (Blockbuster: How Hollywood Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Summer, p88)
a.xi) Combination ships
Ships could be so vast that different companies would have actually built different parts of them giving them the look of something rather hybrid. (See "Combination ship" in Creating the Nostromo: The Crunch)
- Bill Pearson: Because the final ship was a combination of pieces from so many drawings, the idea became that it was just so vast that different companies would have actually built different parts of it. None of the model makers were in love with the shape, because it didn't look like it'd been designed. We talked about this, and in the end decided that this as actually quite realistic. It was after all something that would spend most of its life in space, built just for one function - to pull the refinery. The makers would have no reason to make it pretty. (SFX#6, p35)
a.xii) Space vehicles tramping around the universe
There are many vehicles tramping around the universe on mining expeditions, erecting military installations and so on, but the reality of this would seem unlikely for perhaps a thousand years.
- Danny Peary: ln Alien, everything looks old, uninviting, bleak, disheveled. What was the look you wanted for your major set. the starship Nostromo?Ridley Scott: The look really was meant to reflect the crew members who, l felt, should be like truck drivers in space. Their jobs, which took them on several-year journeys through space, were to them a normal state of affairs. Therein lies the fantasy. The reality would not be like this for maybe a thousand years - but in our tongue-in-cheek fantasy we project a not-too-distant future in which there are many vehicles tramping around the universe on mining expeditions, erecting military installations, or whatever. (An interview with Ridley Scott by Danny Peary,Omni Screen Flights, Screen Fantasy, p294
a.xiii) Scale of the Nostromo and refinery
The Nostromo itself was the size of something like the Queen Mary ocean liner, it would have been like a three deck ship, with corridors two to three hundred feet long, and would be comparable to the Japanese super tankers three quarters of a mile long.
The refinery would have been perhaps a square mile.
- Michael Seymour: We tried to create an inter-galactic supertanker with a sense of geography. A sort of three-deck ship. (Warren Presents Alien Collector's Edition, p16)
- Fantastic Films: How did you view the Nostromo?Ridley Scott: The thing's like the bloody Queen Mary. Do you get a sense of the scale of the interior? That it's big? We couldn't build the two to three hundred foot-long corridors which it would have but it's supposed to be like one of these Japanese super-tankers. Three quarters of a mile long. The refinery behind it would be God-knows how big. I mean, well.... I dunno, a square mile. (Fantastic Film US#12/ GB #2, p20)
a.xiv) The Nostromo as a flying vehicle and a jump jet
The Nostromo had to be able to fly both in space and under atmospheric conditions.
Ridley saw it as a gigantic maneuverable jump jet and therefore it was able to get wherever it wanted on various planets, landing in quite narrow, rocky terrain.
Thus was only near enough streamlined object in the whole of the lander and refinery construct.
Ridley saw it as a gigantic maneuverable jump jet and therefore it was able to get wherever it wanted on various planets, landing in quite narrow, rocky terrain.
Thus was only near enough streamlined object in the whole of the lander and refinery construct.
- Fantastic Films: But the Nostromo had to be able to fly both in space and under atmospheric conditions?
Ridley Scott: I saw it as a gigantic maneuverable jump jet. Therefore it was able to get wherever it wanted on various planets, landing in a quite narrow, rocky terrain. So that's the only streamlined object in the whole thing. The refinery itself is a conglomerative mountain of technology.
Fantastic Films: What was the refinery carrying?
Ridley Scott: Ore, I suppose. They'd do all the work inside once the "picker" (the smaller craft) would put the stuff aboard. The ore would be turned into liquid or gas for easier transference back to Earth (Fantastic Films US#12/ GB #2, p20)
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b) Computerised ship and its crew
b.i) Value of human life has diminished
By this time, possibly the value of human life has diminished considerably, because of the Big Brother idea of a lifeless megastructure which becomes more prevalent.
Its employees are now considered expendable.
- Daniel Peary: At this point in time, has the value of humans diminished even further than today as far as the military-industrial complex is concerned? I am struck by the opening scene in which the ship's computer and machinery "come to life" before the humans are revived from their suspended-animation state.
Ridley Scott: It's possibly that the value of humans could have diminished. I'm now thinking on the level of the Big Brother idea of a lifeless megastructure and its attitude toward human employees who are considered expendable.
(An interview with Ridley Scott by Danny Peary,Omni Screen Flights, Screen Fantasy, p295)
b.ii) Importance of the ship and its contents over the crew
The machinery, the information data and cargo are of more importance to the corporations that the individuals on the ships.
- Ridley Scott: . In this instance, the machinery, information data, and cargo are of more importance to corporations than the individuals on their ships. (An interview with Ridley Scott by Danny Peary,Omni Screen Flights, Screen Fantasy, p295)
b.iii) Workies
Rather than there be a crew of scientists, military men or astronauts, Ridley used the word "workies" to describe the crew who were basically working class characters instead.
There was the idea was that nobody in their right minds would do what they're doing unless they're going to get set up for life by doing it.
- Ridley Scott: The Crew are workies. Nobody in their right minds would do what they're doing unless they're going to get set up for life by doing it. (NME, 15th September, 1979)
- Daniel Peary:Alien is the first space film, I believe, that features working-class characters rather than a crew of scientists, military men, or astronauts
Ridley Scott: That's absolutely correct. At this point in time, I believe everyone in a crew can be a working-type. (An interview with Ridley Scott by Danny Peary,Omni Screen Flights, Screen Fantasy, p295)
b.iv) Like an eight year contract
It would be like signing onto an oil tanker for eight years, and so these jobs which took them on several year journeys through space were to them normal state of affairs.
- Ridley Scott: It's like signing onto an oil tanker for eight years. (NME, 15th September, 1979)
b.v) Ship run by computers for most of the journey
For the sake of efficiency, for the duration of the actual journey, the computer run the ships while the humans remain in a state of hypersleep.
- Ridley Scott: I certainly think this situation has parallels today. But the fact that computers can run the ship before the humans are revived is meant to be logical and nothing to do with Big Brother and an unfeeling company. Ships will be run by computers specifically for efficiency reasons (An interview with Ridley Scott by Danny Peary,Omni Screen Flights, Screen Fantasy, p295)
b.vi) Crew is secondary
In this case, the Nostromo is driven by a computer called Mother,
But as far as running the ship goes, the crew is secondary.
Once on the ship, their function is minimal.
Once on the ship, their function is minimal.
- Ridley Scott: The Nostromo is driven by Mother, a computer, and, as far as running the ships goes, the crew is secondary. Once on the ship, their function is minimal. (An interview with Ridley Scott by Danny Peary,Omni Screen Flights, Screen Fantasy, p295)
b.vii) This can look after itself
The idea is that they need know only how to work the ship's basic equipment.
With that the equipment can start itself, repair itself, think for itself and act as its own monitoring system.
- Ridley Scott: They need know only how to work the ship's basic equipment. That equipment can start itself, repair itself, think for itself, and act as its own monitoring system. (An interview with Ridley Scott by Danny Peary,Omni Screen Flights, Screen Fantasy, p295)
b.viii) Need for humans as seen in the film
However in the movie "Alien", two men, Brett and Parker are physically involved in the repair of the ship in order to make it ready to take off again from the unknown planetoid.
c) Character's biographies
Ridley's actors for Alien would come to him asking "What's my character? What's my motivation?"
He thought that he bes hing to do was to write a litle biography on each of them.
He started with the birth going through to their parents, university, training college, how they go into NASA, and NASA projected into industry, industry to Weylan-Yutani, finally having done Mars and Moon etc
- Ridley Scott: Constant question from different actors who'll be nameless within the... within the cast who'd say "What's my character, what's my motivation?" And so I thought the the best thing to do was to sit down, I wrote a little bio on each of them, starting at birth through to Mum and Dad , university, training college, how they got into NASA, NASA projected into industry, industry to Weylan-Yutani, finally having done Mars and Moon, yada yada yada (Ridley Scott Q&A, Egyptian Theatre, Hollywood, California)

d) Weylan-Yutani and the world
d. i) Japanese owner and based in Honolulu
Weylan-Yutani, an industrial conglomerate, is based in Honolulu,
It is Japanese
owned which is incidentally why the crew's spacesuits have something of
the Samurai about them.
It would be comparable to a super-Sony, 50 times bigger than it was in the 1970s.
It would be comparable to a super-Sony, 50 times bigger than it was in the 1970s.
- New Musical Express: ( "a sort of super-Sony, 50 times bigger") - which is why incidentally the crew's spacesuits have something of the Samurai about them, the film's imaginary Company being based in Honolulu is Japanese-owned.(NME, 15th September, 1979)
d.ii) When the mega-corporations idea seemed exotic
Back in the late 1970s when Alien was made, the idea of mega corporations seemed like exotic speculation ( the idea was explored also in the form of Tyrell in Blade Runner released three years later) and by
the 21st Century it became a reality.
- Ridley Scott: Talking
to the Company. Talking to Weylan-Yutani
which I figured at that time, and in fact, it reflected it in
Bladerunner that erm, the world eventually obviously is going to be run
by
companies and organisations, um, which seemed exotic, you know, eighteen
years ago, but now, it's a reality, right. That's the way we're headed,
um and so this was speculation at the time, but funnily, by the time I
got to do Blade Runner, the idea of the Tyrel corporation was a mega
mega company... (Raw Alien 20th Anniversary DVD Ridley Scott Commentary)
d.iii) Somewhere a hundred years into the future or more
Perhaps Alien took place a
hundred years into the future from when it was made which would place it generally in the 2070s or perhaps it took
place somewhere early in the 22nd century.
- Rob Cobb's Tricentennial and UK-7 patched are
the only indication yet given as to how far in the future Alien takes
place. From information gathered through Cobb and his designs we can
ascertain many world developments that have occurred by the time of this
story (Alien Portfolio)
- As near as can be determined , ALIEN takes place sometime during the first two decades of the 22nd century.(Alien Portfolio)
d.iv) Weylan-Yutani name was earlier Leyland Toyota
Ron Cobb could well have gone ahead and called the company
Leyland-Toyota.
It would have been to show that England was getting back
on its feet and had united with the Japanese.
These Japanese would have taken over the
building of spaceships the same way they had by the late 1970s with cars
and supertankers.
Of course using those names would have invited trouble for
the production, so changes were made.
( See Origins of Weylan-Yutani)
- Ron Cobb: One of the things I enjoyed most about ALIEN was its subtle satirical content. Science Fiction films offer golden opportunities to throw in little scraps of information that suggest enormous changes in the world. There's a certain amount of potency in those kinds of remarks. Weylan-Yutani for instance is almost a joke but not quite. I wanted to imply that poor old England is back on its feet and has united with the Japanese, who have taken over the building of spaceships the same way they have now with cars and supertankers. (Alien Portfolio)
e) see: Implied future timeline
f) See: Galactic geography of Alien






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